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too light when windy?
« on: June 25, 2019, 12:46:41 PM »
Sometimes I just like to fantasize how I would do it.
Unfortunately my wife does not have the same need at all.
This means that I cannot test my ideas against someone.
About this thing, it is meant to be inside the car all together, no trailer
DIY sandwich sheets put together into a 2,5 x 2 meter "house"
I found on internet square 20 x 20 mm aluminum tubes with couplings.
I could easily make  frames from that.
Outside-- glue sheet of Formica. After that spray the inside with
closed cell EPS foam and glue another Formica on the inside
Foam weighs 30 kilogram/ m3
This means that 1 m2, 20 mm thick foam ,weighs less than 1 kilo.
This would give a very rigid wall
The bottom, same frame but with plywood, adjustable legs.
Everything could be inside my Peugeot Partner.
Perhaps make bottom parts a bit longer,2 meters to avoid so many connections.
Put them on the roof rack
It is about 130 r-meters total of the tubes
maybe about 100 couplings
Tubes costs 2 Euro /meter, couplings 0.50 each
Foame DIY = 500 Euro.
It is more than I need, but that is the smalles amount t I can buy.
It is nice to have fantasizes and maybe it can come true?
This is not a thing for wildlife camping.
I am sure it takes 20-30 minutes to put together.
A light structure is of course good but it can be too light and blow away.
It is maybe 3o m2 all together, bottom and roof included.
With a weight of maybe 5 kg/m2, 150 kg all together
The thing I am most worried about is the very low weight.
Of course low weight is good , but when windy?


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Re: too light when windy?
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2019, 03:08:52 PM »
Greetings!

Your description is very confusing to me, are we talking about a rooftop tent?
If so, attached to the roof how? Or is stored inside? 

Instead of talking materials and sizes, please start by drawing us a picture of what you're talking about in words, so we can envision what we're talking about.

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Re: too light when windy?
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2019, 06:33:24 PM »
No not a tent, not on roof
Regular walls all kept in parts to be assembled stored inside car

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Re: too light when windy?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2019, 04:33:31 AM »
Greetings!

So you're talking about a hard sided tent to be constructed on the ground?

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Re: too light when windy?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2019, 08:16:23 AM »
A fold up, like the french rapido
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZBCtCwUfkM
I already own a rapido, which is good for smaller trips.
I only thought that I could make an even smaller one to keep inside my Peugeot partner.
A folded caravan 1 meter by 1.45 meter (40 x 57 inch) fits nicely in the car
It will give a caravan unfolded 1. 45 by 2.30 ( 40 x 90)
weight ?100 kg, 200 pounds.
It will give two 90 (35 inch) beds with 0,5 meters between (20 inch ) them.
the beds will only be 1,40 long but I have come up with an idea,
having the feet stick out 0.6 outside caravan.
This is not an idea usable for young adventurers, hunting and fishing.
I am none of that.
I think more of a "comfortable" camping site life with toilets, electricity and WiFi.
Having a thing like that there is no need to pull a trailer 600 km.
Yes it is true that the space is small but I guess one spends more time using the awning. This is a cheaper option to AIR BNB. We have had terrible experiences with that. This way one gets ones own little house with ones own things and  TV. I looked at Amazon, 250 Euro for a window, too much for an experiment.
There are other foldables like the Esterel.
One can find one of those for 300 Euros.
Buying an Esterel I get 4 windows, 1 door, lots of folding hinges and locking mechanisms, 4 adjustable feet and much more.
When it comes to wind, maybe loops on the roof and ankerd with rope like an ordinary tent. I just sold my house and need to build a new one,
I am 73, first the real house then the camper house, maybe it has to stay on the "drawing board"?
I guess this is a god way of  getting rid of disadvantages
A Mobil home that one leaves on the ground  , being able to use the car.
Rigid insulated walls = easy to cool and heat compared to humid tent.
No sleeping on the ground.
No need to bring a trailer.
Off season camping = very cheap prices
« Last Edit: June 27, 2019, 08:41:08 AM by lasseroth »

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Re: too light when windy?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2019, 09:47:36 PM »
Greetings!

I'm familiar with both the Rapido's and the Esterelle's, and I like the ease of setup for the Esterelle's much better, even though it's a smaller space.

Hard sides don't really help with heating, cooling, or humidity control, no matter how much insulation is added.  All of those things are contingent on your heating, cooling, and ventilation equipment.  A tent might require slightly more of each, but for me, the ease of set-up & take-down, and minimal amount required for storage, makes a tent a better choice.

I have a 10' x 20' (feet) easy-up type awning that I then purchased party tent side walls for that have many opening windows.  A tarp creates a bathtub floor, then I put a throw rug on top of that.  Cot's keep you off the floor, and there is plenty of room inside for sleeping, cooking, lounging, and even your toilet/shower room.  The tent takes maybe 10 minutes to erect, then another 10-15 minutes to move the furniture in and get it set up.  Everything fits under the bed inside my van with room to spare.

The tent gives me about double the space I have in my van, plus stand up height, and I just move everything I would normally use inside my van into the tent if I'm going to be stationary for a while.  I stake it down good, just like any other tent, and it has held up well for many years, and extreme weather conditions including hot, humid, cold, and windy.  Setting it up in foul weather or high winds is terribly difficult though.  I'm not sure whether your idea would help with that or not...

Normally, I just live inside my van, or motorhome, so no set-up or tear-down are required.  I rarely set up my tent unless I'm having company.  I don't have a high top van at present, so I must do everything while seated, but it is a full sized extended length van.  There's a lot to be said in favor of a live in vehicle that requires no trailer, and no set-up or tear-down. Always ready for all your needs.

None of us are getting any younger.  My brain knows how to do a lot of things, but as we age our bodies make things much more difficult or even impossible.  Looking into the future, I'm leaning heavily towards simpler, easier, less complicated, and more comfortable.  For my next vehicle I'm thinking about a small shuttle bus.  Bigger to drive, less fuel economy, but standing height, lots of windows, and it should make a very comfortable tiny home on wheels.  They're built sturdy, and they usually don't leak as long as you don't put any holes in the roof.  A good gasser will likely outlast me with minimal repairs required.  If traveling becomes problematic, I can find a park to live out my remaining days in.

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Re: too light when windy?
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2019, 08:08:16 AM »
Thanks Dan for sharing
I do think you are so very much a camper than I am
What I cannot understand is that a tent is just as good
Why do people pay  tens of thousands of dollars for caravans if a tent is just as good?
There are a lot of rigid minis , useless?
I am really asking, not arguing
What I can see before me is short stays for me and my wife.
Go to a nice village in France (where I live) or Italy.
Eat a nice lunch in town,  a simple meal "at home" in the evening, look at the neighbors and a good downloaded movie on the TV. Sleep.
This is very much like our ordinary life.
It is really a combination. The exercise of the brain, to construct and the  vacations.

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Re: too light when windy?
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2019, 07:50:45 PM »
Greetings!

I'm in the USA, so I'm assuming when you say "caravan" you are referring to what our term is "trailer", either a pop-up, or a fixed one.

The problem with most pop-ups is that if you're only doing short stays, they quickly become very annoying to do all the set-up and tear-down.  Where as something you can just pull into a site, and maybe plug in, and set-up is done, you really come to appreciate.  My camper van doesn't even care whether it is level or not.  My bed, kitchen, bathroom, work area, lounging chair, everything is ready and waiting without any set-up required.  I can literally pull over anywhere and take a nap, use the bathroom, or make a meal without ever stepping out of my van.  That's convenience.  Convenience you don't really have with a pop-up.  "I" prefer camper vans and motor homes for this exact reason. 

Fixed trailers add convenience over pop-ups, but if I'm going to be towing something, I'd prefer it to be a boat.  I guess in some places you can pull a train (multiple trailers), but that only further complicates things.  There's a lot to be said for simple comfort and convenience.

In regards to hard sided vs. soft sided, including tents, all of them require set-up, and all of them are only going to be as comfortable as your heating and cooling equipment.  They will all hopefully keep you out of the wind and rain.  So the biggest differences are in ease of set-up and tear-down, and the amount of storage space they take up when not in use.  Some tents these days will practically set themselves up, and storage space is also minimal.  If you're not there, a thief can get in no matter what you have.  Some wild animals can get into a sturdy vehicle just as easily as they could get into tent.  In my thinking, the best measure of safety is the ability to drive away without getting out of my rig and into danger.

Some people have space for a dedicated camping vehicle or trailer, others don't.  A mini van can be too cramped to be comfortable in if you need to hunker down for a few days due to bad weather.  It's not exactly one size fits all.  So I guess my criteria is comfort, convenience, ease of set-up, and something that will be comfortable to hunker down in for several days if the need arises.

So as you can see, there are many things to consider... 

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Re: too light when windy?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2019, 08:00:52 PM »
Greetings!

After re-reading your above comment, if you mean a non pop-up trailer by rigid mini, that could also be a viable option.  Just pull in, level, and hook up your power, and maybe your sewer.  Far less work than most pop-ups, and a whole lot better to set-up in the rain or wind.  Pop-ups, or tents can be the pits to put up or take down in the wind or rain.

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Re: too light when windy?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2019, 10:37:09 PM »
If we have a van we have to bring the home with us if we want to take a small trip around the village. A van is bigger to give comfort = difficult in these narrow villages
Option 2  a trailer that can be left on the camp site= making the smaller car for excursions, free
option 1 = too big a car
option 2 = dragging a trailer
option 3
something like the Rapido but smaller
a box that is just big/ small enough to stay in the back
Well I will make a try anyway
I ordered some square 3/4 inch aluminium (20 mm) tubes to use as  frames. thin plywood on both sides eps foam in between.
I will try and make a few parts and see how it turns out

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Re: too light when windy?
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2019, 01:45:17 PM »
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